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Meeting with Nawty from Sydney

We will not refuse a trip to the Syndey side with Nawty, and if you subscribe to her Instagram, you will really discover more of her. We wanted to know about this particular writer, she paints trains and between two photos of tags sharing on her Instagram also her lifestyle. Have a nice trip.


Hello Nawty, can you tell us more about you?

Hey! Thanks for having me!  My names Jordy (short for my name), I’m 27 years old. I’ve grown up in Sydney Australia all my life. I left school in year 10. The week after I finished school I got offered a Scholarship to pursue my dream for a Beauty Therapy & Makeup diploma. Throughout my 11 years I Managed Day Spas, Laser clinics and was even privileged to Manage for Christian Dior for 4 years and travelled internationally.  I still had my passion for beauty, but after 11 years I felt I had achieved what I wanted so I decided to work for another amazing Luxury Brand which I can’t disclose, and I have been Managing for them for 2 years now. 

It’s surprising, you work for luxury during the day and some evenings you will paint illegally. How long have you been writing?

I started writing in 2011, my first word was JREOW, a nickname I had, haha I still cringe over it to this day. Horrible letters and just couldn’t flow them. So I changed my word to NAWTE/NAWTY in 2013, got the idea off my Mum, she would call me “naughty” still to this day haha.  


Did you draw before designing letters?

Yeah! Characters, drawing and art was what I was into before graffiti. I studied art in Highschool and was always into it as a hobby most of my life. 

Can you explain to us to choose writing as a means of expression?

I’ve been through a lot throughout my life and I find it as way to express my feelings .  There is a quote from one of my favourite Australian Hip Hop Artists songs that explains this perfectly for me:  “ We don’t wanna be forgotten, it’s why we write our stories on the walls of our city’s” – Horrorshow 


On your private Instagram, you can also see your life style in addition to your paintings, where often writers prefer to keep their privacy, can you explain this choice?

Graffiti as a subculture is more than just the craft, it’s a lifestyle and Graffiti and the culture is richer because of the diversity of its participants, it separates it from other art genres because of it, and the craft if graffiti is a reflection of the lived experience from writers and what makes then who they are, and that’s what translates into their styles and work.

Also we can see that you look like a doll, it contrasts a lot with the image of the writers that we can have, do you consider that you bring your feminine universe in a very masculine environment?

I’m proud of my identity as a woman, especially as an overtly feminine woman in the context of graffiti, from how I’ve been treated for the most part, I don’t feel men within the scene are threatened by me in regards to my graffiti style and participation, but that’s not to say there aren’t men who sexualize me and see me as sex object, but I’d honestly say for whatever reason it’s other women who’ve had more objection to my role in the graffiti scene rather than men. Women would be the ones to comment more on my appearance as an insult than men, which I see as these women have their own personal issues. 


Thank you for this interview Nawty, find her Instagram here: Nawty


We met Demos, coming from Kazan and living in St Perterbourg for 4 years. At 25, he started writing in 2006 and had never tried writing before, discover what he made him paint.


Hello demos, can you tell us how you discovered the writing?
It became interesting for me to draw for a long time, complicate the forms and use many colors. I want to travel, go to festivals and paint there) Bomb and tag on the street, of course, I’m not going to quit, but I put writing in priority

What is your motivations for choice the writing?
I am motivated and inspired by artists from Europe like as Omouk, Debza, Riot1394, JBCB Crew, Moar, 187 crew hamburg. I like European graffiti style, I don’t like Russian graffiti, because in Russia, I still don’t have my own recognizable style. Of course, in Russia there are very cool writers who I really like. TAD Crew, Rasko, Humor, Frou One, Bozik, Inor (Beda crew) , 158 Crew. 

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Do you think we can talk about a really personal style in each country?  Finally the democratization of means of transportation, media, communication, we could better circumscribe specific cultural areas, I think the Der blue reiter in German, the Peredvizhniki in Russia, the Surrealists in France for example, is this still possible now?

Yes, I believe that each country has its own style in graffiti, if they show me the work of graffiti artist from France or Germany, I understand who it is. But if you look at the drawings from Russia, it will be difficult to answer because many things in Russia are inspired by the style from Europe.

The Russia is not in Europe  ? 

No. And never will be. Russia is a terrible country). Government, laws, low living standards, people are getting poorer, corruption, the quality of medicine and education at a terrible level. 80% of my friends and acquaintances want to leave the country, including myself. I plan to leave the country within 5 years and never return to it again. in Russia you can’t even calmly drink beer on the street, the police will fine you for 10 euros and they can take you to the police station. For 1 gram of grass we can put in jail for 3 years. It’s funny…


And do you think if one day a more « democratic » regime would be applied in Russia that we could once again include it as a half-European, half-Asian territory?
I don’t know. I think we will find out after 4.5 years, when they will choose a new president). We all really hope that he will leave, and that he will be a good man. But this is likely to never happen.)) I hope I will live somewhere in Germany or France and I will not care anymore, haha))

You speak one european style but is inspired by the USA. The writing arrived around 83/84 in West Europe, it already existed since about 1966 in the USA. Perhaps we have appropriated elements of writing from the states and mixed with elements more specific to our culture? Especially since before 2000 (which corresponds to the democratization of the internet) there were only a few books, magazines, videos and we could more circumscribe the culture within a country.

Yes . If some sources of graffiti got into our fear 10 years earlier, then our country would be at a level higher than now. Unfortunately, this culture came to us very late. But now graffiti is starting to start in Russia, despite the crisis, the price of paint, and low salaries.


How the writing appeared in russia?

In Russia, the history of graffiti began in 1985, together with a breakdancing fashion. Vadim Krys (Riga) – artist from the first wave of Soviet graffiti writers, creator of the first documented graffiti in the USSR. Rus Crew ( https://www.facebook.com/ruscrue/ ) is one of the first Moscow graffiti teams. Make, Tek, Kamar, and Se began working together in 1999. Later they were joined by Basket, Chub and Worm. In 2001, they held the first graffiti exhibition in the gallery on Solyanka, in 2004 painted the first large facade in Russia on the central square in Beslan, and in 2006 they took part in organizing the first graffiti festival at the Winzavod Center for Contemporary Art.

Why the first crew appears in 1999?

From the 1980s to the mid-1990s, graffiti in Russia is episodic in nature and only by the end of the 1990s becomes mass. This is due to access to information that began to arrive like an avalanche with the popularization of the Internet, as well as using graffiti for the show market and commercial purposes (advertising on TV and in magazines).

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You said they are no style particular style in Russia, how do you think a typical Russian style could be developed? And how would it be?

It is difficult. Because everyone in the Russian style has something from Europe, everything is mixed)

Speaking of a typically Russian identity, many Russian writers favor the use of Latin rather than Cyrillic letters. Why do you think?
I don’t know, because probably the Latin alphabet is more understandable to other people than the Cyrillic alphabet. For a long time I wrote only in Cyrillic, but foreigners didn’t understand what I was writing, and I began to write in both Latin and Cyrillic letters. Cyrillic is actually interesting, the letters are more difficult).


Some artists, such as kandinsky could dream of an international painting movement, perhaps the writing is the concretization of several centuries of research in art. English is the international language to facilitate exchanges (especially science articles). So can we really want a country-specific painting style or continue to create a style that feeds on each country?

Each country used to have its own style. But when the Internet appeared, everything began to mix up. I think it would be cool to have a recognizable style of your country)

This question is posed by Jean Clair (a french author) in his book the reponsibility of the artist. The question is whether we must keep localities (cultural elements specific to each country) or whether we must all globalize. Do not we get lost in a question of form, when finally the real question would be if we had to globalize everything would it be based on the democratic principles such as the liberalism define them or should we not to forge an international culture based on a political hedonism capable of satisfying everyone and not based on exploitation of life?
Yes, I believe that people should promote their international culture only at their request, not everyone can like it.

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For you what are the differences between europeen writing and russian writing?
I think in Europe people are more serious about graffiti, in our country, the ugli (anti style) style is very popular. People don’t seem to want to learn to paint beautifully and accurately. 

I don’t think that when I watch  Rasko, TGK, Magic, Cosek, Bunt, Dirty, Trunskee, Adel, I felt like there was a real quest for style, originality, well calibrated letters, swing … But he’s now admitted in painting to be able to do things of this type without this being objectionable, it comes within the framework of an artistic research as formal as aesthetic. What do you think this kind of style can bring to writing? in the world ?
Rasko, Trun , Cozek  this is these are very technical writers. The rest are not interesting to me.  I think not, it will soon bother everyone, and everything will start in a new way, the style of the 90s will return and everything will go in a new way.


Can’t we imagine a progression rather than a return to the back?

I just see that at the moment everything is going back. Of course I want progress like so many.

How do you explain this propensity to no longer bring something new so that we are reduced to sampler in the past. Is it the creation of new ideas, ideologies, can destabilize the current order, and it is therefore in his interest to sclerose the creation to keep his positions? does not it create an anti-culture that ultimately allows it to remain stable, just gives the illusion of disturbing without really worrying it? If it is assumed that creation can renew or better bring new things both culturally and economically.

In fact, I want people to come up with something new in graffiti. It’s just that recently, when someone comes up with a new technique or some style, others try to copy it and do something similar than to come up with something new …. this is a difficult question for me.


Is it not to copy on his contemporaries that one can in old pots according to you?

I believe that everything was invented before us) we all change it in our own way.

And you how you define your style?
For a long time I was engaged only in bombing. The last 4 years I have probably painted in some kind of acidic style, if you can call it that. Now I’m working on something new, I want to do it simply, accurately and add characters. I always wanted to learn how to draw characters).


What can you say about the acidic style? Since when does it exist? Who makes it? how can we recognize it?
I always thought the acid style was somehow related to drugs))) here the Riot 1394 from Berlin seems to me very suitable for such a style. But in fact, it seems to me that this is simply an expression among graffiti culture. I think there is no such style, we ourselves came up with such a name.

Who make this style again?

Riot 1394, Syhis, Frou (ИСК Crew), Nychos. 


How is this new style?
I’m tired of the style of my letters. I am constantly experimenting, and I will do it until I find what I like

What are you looking for when you draw?

New forms of letters, probably) when I sit down to draw, I turn on the music and somehow everything starts to appear.


What kind of music?

I have been listening to hip hop since childhood. Since 2005, they gave me a cassette with Eminem, and it all started) Recently, I listen to a lot of German (187 strassenbande, UFO361, Kontra K, Bushido) and French rap (NTM Supreme, Moha La Squale, Alonzo, Niska). I always listened only to American hip hop, but in recent years I have become interested in these two countries, and I liked their music.

What kind of support you prefer (trains, walls, street, plane…) ?

All :), if we are talking about drawing, then you need to draw wherever you want, whether it’s a wall, train or plane. Why not?!) 


Have you a word for end?
Thank you for this interview, I was glad to talk) to all peace and good, yo!

Meeting with Burs and Bozik from Russia

We met Burs and Bozik from Russia the last year, they were in Paris to prepare an exhibition.


Can you explain what you make exactly? Letters, characters…?

Burs: I write letters. This may be my name or Vice versa. Now I began to write different phrases. Mostly I write things that inspire me. Sometimes I create them myself. Sometimes, somewhere, hear them, and understand the sentence. I want to write on the wall. Recently on the street wrote the sentence: « Do what you love ».

Bozik: I draw everything. From tags and stickers to large murals. I like to draw sacred geometry, I like to draw animals and I like to draw a letter and fonts.


You are in same crew, can you tell us more about?
Burs: we came up with the team « good » with my friend Anton . Back in 2011 . We wanted to create a team of unique and original people . This team was created to do good for people . But after a while I realized that we inspire many people to work and people talking with us , began to engage in any kind of creativity . This is good . One of the only salvation of man lies through creativity ,Creativity makes man free , through the process of creativity man is tuned to positive vibrations . Creativity is changing and expanding human consciousness . Man develops through creativity . That’s what we understand . And that’s what the team strives for « good » – to develop .


How long have you known each other?
Bozik : We met live 2 months ago, but I was familiar with the work of Bursone and his team for a long time. I always liked what they did.
Bursone : I met bozik 2 months ago, in his hometown of Kazan, at the combination festival. I felt a good vibe when I met him. After getting acquainted with a lot of drawing on the street, and I realized that we are very similar to him.


What are these similarities?
Burs: we are close in spirit people – to put it briefly .
Bozik: We are very similar in that we are both in a positive mood. For a long time I did not write my name on the street, I wrote the word Love in English and Russian (ЛЮБОВЬ). Roman and his team have long been writing the word ДОБРО (Good, kindness). And it’s almost the same thing. Love and Good are inseparable. Therefore we are united.


When did you start drawing?
Burs : I started drawing graffiti in 2004. I’ve been drawing for 13 years and there have been breaks in my creative work related to the understanding of my art. I have experimented a lot in my search for my forms. But I’m still looking for more and more forms of letters. This is the process where you are constantly developing your style.
Bozik : graffiti started to draw in 2001, but then I did not draw much, and I had a long break, then I started drawing in 2011 and still draw every day.


Why make pause, how many time, and what did you do?
Bozik: I had a break in drawing. I have not painted on the street for about seven -eight years. At this time, I painted on paper and painted canvas. I painted a lot of abstract and surrealistic paintings. I experimented a lot and gradually came to the point that I began to draw with dots. I really liked it. When I started to draw graffiti again – the first drawing after the break I drew. I really liked it and for many years I drew only dots.


How did you start drawing?
Burs : I was inspired by 1 person from my area to draw graffiti. This is Pacer tad in 2004?. The first time I met graffiti when I saw his work. They inspired me very much.
Bozik : I started drawing as a child, drawing trucks, motorcycles and ninja turtles. Graffiti began to draw with the appearance of a musical CD Rap-music 2000, it was a powerful collection of Russian rap. My first piece I drew from the cover of this album.


Bursone : After my inspiration, I ran to the shop for spray paint. And when I first tried drawing, I really liked the feeling of drawing. I liked my vibrations while drawing. can you describe these vibrations? I can say that I didn’t feel so good before I met graffiti.
Bozik : I’ve always liked the drawing process itself. I like the state of the art while drawing. When I draw, I forget everything. Time disappears. I feel calm when I draw on canvas and I feel invigorated when I draw illegally.


What kind of studies did you do?
Burs: I did not conduct classes , I drew if it was required by my soul . And if I wanted to do something to Express through
Bozik: I studied at high school and the oil technical university.


How did you study drawing?
Bursone : This is a personal process and everyone has their own. I wanted to achieve interesting forms of graffiti, good combinations of colors. I didn’t do it all at once, sometimes I was upset that I couldn’t do it. But after a day I ran back to the shop for paint to make my drawings even better. After 5 years of drawing, I saw my development. I had no talent for drawing. I don’t need it. The main thing is to love my business. That’s what I realized.
Bozik : I haven’t specially studied drawing anywhere. I constantly painted on the rear ports at the school institute. And I did not like to study and therefore always painted. I received all the basic drawing training while standing against the wall. He learned to draw people and animals not on paper but on the wall. In general, when I started drawing graffiti, I always bought paint and spent all the money on it. I drew little sketches but drew a lot on the walls. This is probably why I have a lot of bad fonts and drawings. I always try new techniques to apply it outside.


Do you draw only for an exhibition or draw something else?
Bursone : I draw mostly on the street, I like that passers-by can see the art of different artists on the street. It’s an open-air gallery. Isn’t it beautiful?  I have always painted only on the street, in illegal places. I drew on the roofs of St. Petersburg, in the city where I live for 10 years. I drew on everything I can imagine. This is my first exhibition, I want to thank the owner of the gallery « in Art we trust » Jonas, for this opportunity. I am very pleased with this opportunity.
Bozik : We make paintings for the exhibition, but most of all I paint on the street. 90% of what I paint is illegal work on the street. I think it’s the best exhibition ever. In my own city, I have been drawing on the street for many years for another name so that the police wouldn’t find me.


Why want to show art to passers-by?
Burs: Because art is a holiday of the soul, and when you have a holiday , you want to share it . People like to see art . They are charged , they are inspired to new thoughts on new ideas .
Bozik: Streetart and graffiti is a very convenient creation to show it to a casual spectator. These people may never go to the gallery, but they will see our drawings on the streets. It can inspire a new generation to create something good.


Do they really want to?
Burs: I can’t answer that question . I do not know. Sometimes they are unhappy with what they saw creativity . But who knows, maybe he should be unhappy . And the other on the contrary will be inspired by the drawing on the street , and will become an outstanding artist .
Bozik: I don’t know if passers-by need this. Like it or not. Always someone likes someone doesn’t like it. But something inside me tells me that I can make some places even better. I can decorate them).


How is the legislation in Russia about tags?
Burs: In Russia it’s very simple . If you tag and you get caught, the fine is 8 euros , and you’re free
Bozik: In Russia, if you are caught for a tag on an ordinary building or fence, then you will be taken to a police station, you may sit in jail until morning, then they will write you a fine of 500-1500 rubles (8-20 euros) and let them go home. But if you draw on historical buildings and monuments, they will first write a huge fine and in some cases they can put you in jail for vandalism.


How is the reaction of people?
Burs: In most cases there is no reaction . All people are in the matrix of their problems and things that they need to have time to do . They don’t have time before you, before you paint. I always wonder about that. But on the other hand, I don’t do anything criminal , I just draw .
Bozik: Everyone thinks differently. some people like and some don’t. In Russia you can hit if you draw or try to detain to call the police. But more often yell on you. Few people say positive things.


Have u word for end?
We would like to thank the whole family and friends for supporting us. we thank everyone with whom we painted and will paint! We love everyone and everything! we feel that we are all one. our game is beautiful. our illusion is wonderful. life is a joy! Thank you.

Discover Kiev with Kurt

We met Kurt to get away from it all this summer, so let’s take a trip to Kyiv, Ukraine. Between his 20s and 30s, he made pieces through the city walls, and we are going to find out why with him.


What is your tag? What does signify your tag? 

I am a kid of the 90s – the decade that passed under the sign of Nirvana, and also I frequently came across this name in various movies. I felt it was funny and odd. Also, when I was 16 years old. I had long blonde hair, and local rednecks called me Kurt.

Can you tell us how you start to write? 

For a long time, I used to live in a small provincial city, where I barely had any opportunity to express myself in the way I wanted. Eventually, I got introduced to graffiti culture, thanks to my friends. I tried, it caught my interest, now I am here.


Why chose writing? 

I chose writing consciously after nine years of my graffiti activity. Before this I perceived graffiti rather like sport or adventures, but not like art. When I started to take graffiti as a serious form of self-expression, I became much more conscious and careful about what I want to create. I started to spend a lot of time and energy, so to say, the « pre-production » stage of my works, to find a proper place, to create a compositional and color conception. If I can achieve my goals – I get mental satisfaction.

Did you draw before start writing? 

No, I wasn’t interested in drawing before graffiti. I started to study academic drawing at the same time when I started to create my first graffiti works, and it’s more deeply & faster helps me to understand the art world.

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How you can define your style? 

Hard to say. I like different styles and try not to restrict myself to some specific visual forms. I don’t want to dedicate my time to something limited. I’m also trying to implement my painting into a surrounding, to make a piece a part of the environment.

What is your inspiration for this style? 

I’m true, inspired by music. Let’s call it fuel for me. I can be also inspired by old school german graffiti, Japanese paintings, contemporary graffiti crews from Paris, synthwave, and much more where I feel the right vibe.

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How we can define what is good letters? 

For me based on my understanding of graffiti and its styles, this form of art is limitless in a sense of expression. Moreover, it is open to influxes from other art forms – digital art, various contemporary art practices, illustrators, its available to experiment with types. graffiti just started to evolve seriously, became more complex and diverse. Artists ceased to restrict themselves just to mural paintings, they started to tackle other formats. In summary, I would say that the best letters are those, that get into your head for a long.

Is one style typically of your city or country? 

I would say that in Ukrainian graffiti there was more or less common and unique style until the 2010s, the most prominent representatives of which were artists like Frost, Nam2, Glugk, Piar. Nowdays it’s hard for me to define one general visual trend in the Ukrainian graffiti scene. Perhaps, time will show it. What I see now – a whole bunch of various and interesting artists, that barely connected in a sense of style.


Can you tell us how the writing come in your city?

I came to Kyiv from the little town and actively started to draw and meet other artists. At that times there was quite big graffiti community, bigger than now. So I would answer that writing didn’t came to my city – I myself came to writing.

Who is the firsts writing in your city? 

I think it’s difficult to claim who was the first one. In Ukraine graffiti started to become popular in the late 80s and early 90s, when youth was obsessed with rap, alternative rock, brakedance and foreign cinema – mostly american. You know, the end of Cold War and the destruction of « iron curtain ». The pioneers of Kyiv graffity was from that generation and without names.


How do people and authorities see the writing in your city, and your country in general view? 

In general, people mostly have a negative attitude. I mean, first of all, the older generation, fostered in USSR, people who saw nothing but grey walls of typical apartment blocks with soviet propaganda on them. Most people here don’t accept writing as art. They barely accept it as color stains.

What is the connection you have with your city, your country? 

I love my country, smart and talented people are abundant. I think the world starts to open Ukraine and Ukraine just starts to get rid of the soviet and post-soviet crappy mentality.


Can we think of writing as a form of democracy? 

If we look at the very formulation of direct democracy, it turns out that the graffiti artists’ behavior falls under this definition only in Wikipedia. To judge strictly, there are no fully democratic countries in the world. Graffiti is anarchism, where every participant has his own rules and game. Some draw only legal walls. Some do trains, subways, etc. Some just tags in a light-minded way. And in many cases, all these persons and crews have no connection and barely tend to communicate with each other. Classic Ukrainian anarchism of Nestor Makhno.

If the artwork creates a world and life imitates art more than art imitates life, what kind of world you want your painting impulse? 

If I understand the question properly… I don’t consider that art creates a world, and life imitates art. As for me, this is the two-way street, on which an accident constantly occurs. An accident, caused by a whole bunch of other factors, that affect reality in a much more powerful way, than do art – I mean politics, society, economy, etc. I don’t strive to consciously influence life, to « create a world » – it creates itself on its own. I just leave my traces on its surface. If it somehow affects the course of events – ok, but I don’t do it on purpose.


Do you think it is like one chromotherapy for the city where the dominant is grey? 

In many cities all around Ukrainian our local governments came up with the idea of making our cities more colorful and motley – I am talking mostly about those soviet districts with thousands of monotonous grey apartment blocks. It instilled life in this city zones. So, if you are asking, my answer – I am sure about the chromotherapy.

Do you have a word for the end? 

I am grateful for having graffiti in my life. It did shape my lifestyle, and without it, I would have a completely different experience. True graffiti, I met lots of great people, shared with them my obsession, energy, good and bad times. Life is an adventure, and it’s up to you how complicated or easy it is going to be. Thanks.


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